The session opens with greetings, a new participant introduction, and a question about how one moves from concentration to emptiness in meditation. A participant reflects on this from a psychological training perspective, describing concentration as a stabilising practice and emptiness as a more active deconstruction of self and experience. The question is brought to Geshé-la, who begins a detailed response from the Bön view.

He explains that the traditions of Sutra, Mahāmudrā, and Dzogchen all speak about emptiness, but approach it differently. He discusses how constructs like time, self, and ownership are projections, and that misunderstanding these projections leads to reactions such as anger. In Mahāmudrā, emotions are not rejected but transformed into wisdom; in Dzogchen, there is no use of antidote or method — the view is recognised directly.

Throughout the session, Geshé-la elaborates on how Dzogchen emphasizes non-interference. Thoughts are not obstacles, and clarity is not something to generate or hold. He uses metaphors such as the mirror and the sky to describe mind's clarity and capacity to reflect without grasping. The practice, he says, is to rest in natural awareness — not to fabricate stillness or suppress thought.

Participants ask how to distinguish resting from dullness. Geshé-la replies that presence should remain bright and vivid, not faded. He emphasises not striving or trying to "do it right." Rather than constructing awareness through effort, one simply recognises what is already there. He warns that the intention to achieve something often obstructs the natural view.

As the dialogue continues, Geshé-la offers simple, direct language for engaging practice: not interfering, letting be, and recognising that thoughts will naturally arise and dissolve. He encourages consistency in practice over seeking perfect states.

The session closes with expressions of gratitude from the group, final words of encouragement from Geshé-la, and a transition into silent sitting.